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Hello everyone, I'm not an expert in war, or strategies, or foreign policy, then it is useless to put me to speak with you about what is happening and what could happen of the war in Libya.
The war of the other
It 's a war to which the Italians in the usual way, but in the end joining at the last minute decided to participate directly with our fighter aircraft, we'll see.
There is great confidence in experts in these years, have it all wrong, from Kosovo, Serbia, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, in all places where we did not go, even if the reasons that caused us to go elsewhere, they would push due to go there too, I mean for example in Rwanda and Darfur, but these things we leave to experts and so we let them make mistakes in peace, the only thing we know is that we know nothing, we can not predict anything, we can not predict how long it will first and above can not predict what will happen next, especially where we are today faced with a strange thing that can not be well to distinguish between civil war, rebellion for freedom, revolution, do not even know what to call it, since there is no leadership, there was no analysis serious nature, the components of this rebellion that is part tribal, part surely aspire to more freedom, is Islamic party, Islamic fundamentalists do not know how, and above all do not know what the possible retaliation that Gaddafi has in mind and that can Gaddafi afford against those who attacked him, when I hear from our government that Qaddafi is not able to hit I get the cold sweats to remember all the triumphant declarations that were made in recent years on the great victory in Iraq, the great victory in Afghanistan, for example, because some people never learn, but always teaches, Giuliano Ferrara Il Giornale di Berlusconi yesterday, arguing that the problem is of course the humanitarianism that governments must do so without waiting for the war is absolutely the consent of the UN, the UN is indeed a bad thing, we must make war when you want it is part and goodnight , regrets George Bush, do you think has been a person in the world to mourn George Bush, not U.S. of course, is Giuliano Ferrara, who writes "with the" warmonger "Bush one month after 11 September 2001, the Taliban, protector Osama Bin Laden did not exist anymore, "Ferrara believes that Bin Laden was an expression of the Taliban, ignoring the Taliban have not nothing to do with Bin Laden, the latter is the son of the Saudi sheikhs, not the Taliban, never mind, Ferrara is very intelligent, so it can say all the crap he wants.
A month after 11 September the Taliban protector of Osama Bin Laden no longer existed and the head of the national terrorism had taken refuge in a police station, where after 10 years is not out yet, but Obama, the humanitarian aid to nearly 3 months from the beginning of the upheaval in the Middle East, the West groping in the dark, so better that Bush has delivered us immediately by Al Qaeda, in fact, perhaps unaware that Giuliano Ferrara in 2001 when the Taliban were to dominate Afghanistan forced to a regime of terror because they had the consent of a tiny part of the Afghan population, had more enemies than friends at home, are very popular now and then when the Americans and allied troops flee Afghanistan as they are already fled from Iraq , the Taliban regain power and this time there will be hardly anyone to challenge them, because for 10 years, as say Giuliano Ferrara, who resisted a coalition far superior, and one of the risks that we face is that if Gadhafi is not swept at once, as it has throughout the world against, even the Arab League supports the no-fly zone at least not if the bombing, however, that tolerates Gaddafi not only become a martyr in the eyes of his tribe and allied tribes, but in the eyes of the Islamic world has always hated, or tolerated because he never had anything to do with the Islamic world and even less organized with fundamentalism even though he used from time to time, financing, terrorist groups and Islamists.
So if the experts are Giuliano Ferrara are fresh, and then maybe you should comment on the comments in the war, instead of war on which no one at this time, if it's a serious person can say something, even experts, so we imagine that We are experts. The interesting thing is the first, because we have celebrated the 150th anniversary of the unification of Italy with great displays of rhetoric, trumpets, horns, bass drums, drums and trumpets, trombones, and many are not well understood, inter alia, to celebrate what was, was enough to see these boxes with real Berlusconi, Schifani etc., a suspect for nearly all offenses under the Criminal Code and one under investigation for mafia to realize how we should feel shame to have reached 150 years of the unification of Italy with a political class that!
And we have forgotten that in fact this year marks another anniversary, the centenary of the Italian expedition in Libya, 1911, the Government Giolitti, 100 years from shipment Italian in Libya on weapons we resurfaced in Libya, they say, is a different thing, of course it is a different thing, that was a colonial expedition, arrived among other dell'apoteosi well beyond the century of colonialism, the '800 We were already a bit 'out of time, even if we come out even 30 years in the Horn of Africa and we were still working in Libya, so the fact that the Italians to get back on weapons in Libya, is not the same as the French are up in arms to Libya, the British are up in arms to Libya, the Americans who go to Libya or arms of the Germans who do not go up in arms to Libya, the return of the Italians is obvious that not only exposes Italy because Italy is the country closer to Libya, but also because Italy becomes somewhat relapse, and some memories are retained for only 100 years, in Libya there are still living children and grandchildren of those who have seen the first Mission Italian army in Libya.
not that keep all the bad memories, because we know that Italians have also built a beautiful piece of the infrastructure of roads etc Libya. But the return of weapons to Libya in Italy is something else than the participation of other countries in this mission, it is clear that at the time we agreed in the presence of Europe, each European country claimed protectorates and colonies in Africa, this time we should for other reasons, we should for reasons of energy and from this point of view what is happening in Libya is coupled with what is happening in Japan, the common denominator between the disaster Japan and the war in Libya is the energy, and the repercussions that come from Japan and Libya on Italy reveal about energy, are a wonderful metaphor for the invalidity of our political class which for decades has never put a hand serious national energy plan, in particular has not been implemented, so that our country is so open to blackmail by states like Libya, and Libyan regimes as the only way not to be blackmailed by these schemes is to become less dependent and a little 'more self-sufficient than we are today, but we have not developed any alternative energy, unlike other countries, or on the nuclear front, fortunately, thanks to the referendum 1987, or on the front of the other energies, but even here I do not want to teach the cats to climb, we are on the blog of Beppe Grillo and the potential alternative energy Italian, who frequents this site knows more than me.
It 'clear that this war has nothing to humanity, I'm not saying it's good or bad, I'm saying that if Libya did not have the oil and gas, nobody would have moved in weapons against Libya, in Darfur, in Rwanda there are oil and gas and no one moved, and were massacred hundreds of thousands of people, many more than those who massacred Gaddafi in all its brutal dictatorship that has surpassed widely 40, turns 42 years since his coup dating back to 1969, and in Darfur and Rwanda are many more people than Gaddafi can kill from here forward with or without the intervention of the West for suppress other Gaddafi, they say, the insurgency in Misurata and Benghazi.
metaphor, you understand very well that Italy being so close to Libya, it is just the wedge on the northern point in Europe - Africa, has grown in recent years of good neighborly relations with the governments that succeeded one another, which has influenced the governments that succeeded one another, Ben Ali was put in place after the fall of Bourguiba, the disappearance of Bourguiba in Tunisia by a coup driven by our intelligence services and this came out of private papers and published in recent years. In fact, Tunisia
gave hospitality to Craxi Craxi to cooperate because he was put in power in Tunisia, Ben Ali, was ousted from his people, we know of what crime Mubarak had spotted even seems that the attacks a few years ago Red Sea, which killed several people, including tourists, were behind the scheme Mubarak, who called them the moderate Arab countries simply because they were close to ours, we did what we wanted.
Gaddafi, son of our
Ditto with Gaddafi, if anyone remembers him, but after Gaddafi sent its terrorists to overthrow the Libyan airliner in the skies of Lockerbie in Scotland and having played a role with its terrorists in the attack in 1986 at The Brewery Belle in Berlin where many American soldiers died, suffered retaliation by the United States. I think it was, I believe, April 15, 1986, when Ronald Reagan decided to hit him and kill him, not to wage war against Libya, to kill Gaddafi, pirate operation was of course, had no international legitimacy, but it was a surgical operation, a blitz to hit the place where he lived that night, of course, the Americans demanded the use of bases and overflight rights to their Italian allies, Craxi who governed, denied authorization and then the Americans went away, the beauty is that Craxi, Prime Minister Andreotti and Foreign Minister immediately warned Qaddafi that the fighters were coming of Reagan, so Gaddafi placed in safe, did not have time to get in unless his adopted daughter who left us in the pens to other deaths, but Gaddafi saved, we've saved us! The government
Craxi and Foreign Minister Andreotti said the Libyan ambassador to Italy Mohammed Abdel Raman Shalgam immediately after Italy signed the pact of friendship with Libya in October 2008, under this third Berlusconi government , the ambassador arrived, there were various ceremonies, the Libyan ambassador in Italy Shalgam, declared that October 30, 2008 April 15, 1986, 45 American planes had dropped 232 bombs and 48 missiles at six different targets, killed a dozen civilians including an adopted daughter of Gaddafi, but the leader warned the Italians, had managed to escape, I do not think of revealing if a secret April 14, 1986 announcement that Italy informed us that there would be American aggression against Libya. Such declarations are
Libyan Ambassador were then confirmed by Bobo Craxi Craxi who says that the Spaniards had been warned that the Americans had left, because of course they can not move from Italy, the Americans passed by Spain, Cossiga time: Our real time intelligence informed the Libyan government of the impending attack and Andreotti also confirmed that there was that warning. So our son is
Gaddafi, it was 1986, we are in 2011, for 25 years Gaddafi could crush his country, violate human rights, terrorism sow first, then the refugees, then threats, then blackmails the world, thanks to the fact that Andreotti and Craxi have saved, this is the contribution that Italy has given the freedom and democracy in Libya, this is the pedigree that we are bombing Gaddafi today, could be dead in 1986, 25 years ago! As has been in power since 1969, instead of 42 years, he could govern just 15 or 16 which is a big difference, but thanks to us has been there for 42, after having kicked the Italians have their goods confiscated for 3 billion € today, many governments since 1986 have changed course, there were the governments of the First Republic, the penta, then the governments of the second, Berlusconi, Prodi, Berlusconi, Prodi, D'Alema Amato Berlusconi, Prodi, Berlusconi, Dini in the midst of me are forgotten.
All these governments have obviously had to deal with the fact that beyond the Mediterranean was Gaddafi, some with a certain dignity, others with the total sbraco, meanwhile our companies made use of Gaddafi as if it were an ATM , began a partnership with Fiat for making Gaddafi in the years when he had the pieces in the ass, in which Romiti was managing director, now we have companies such as Juventus, new Fiat, Eni, Finmeccanica, Unicredit, which have interests or have Libyan money in, in the belly, was really necessary to find partners Libyans? We are sure that no members Libyan those companies are defunct? I do not think! Relations between Italy and Libya are also a nice metaphor for our political class because we said Craxi and Andreotti, Prodi has made it clear, he said we could not be hostile relations or not to have relations with Libya, but asserts, when I was there, we did not sbracato and I must say you have never seen Prodi hands or kiss the rings to Gaddafi, scripted or set up as that was broadcast a few months ago with the Berber horses, camels and camels in tribute, the Gaddafi girl hired to pretend to be converted after a delirious speech of this crazy and statements of personal friendship that Berlusconi was said a personal friend of Gaddafi, Ben Ali and Mubarak, he had missed one! And then of course Putin, Lukashenko, is all the best, personal friends, and Prodi maintained good neighborly relations between Italy and Libya, D'Alema exaggerated a bit, 'very, sbracò Berlusconi, Berlusconi and Gaddafi as enhancing sbracò leader of freedom, saying he was happy to participate in the forty years of revolution, there was no revolution in Libya, there was a military coup in 1969 overthrew the old Nasser Idris and brought to the government, in power Gaddafi and his clique, there was no revolution!
The great revolution and then kissing, hugging, patting, Toccata, Bunga, Bunga Berlusconi also said that Gaddafi was to teach the ritual for which the knight will soon be charged on these screens.
I have here some article that I cut, foreseeing this, I must say I do not understand anything about international politics but a little 'nose up what would have happened to me has been so for years now accumulating clippings in a folder titled "Gaddafi" September 16, 2010 "D'Alema Maroni from all receipt Libyan embassy party." receipt, and Libyan Embassy on the anniversary of the revolution 1 September 1969 Interior Minister Maroni, the Libyan Ambassador Gaddur is secluded, talking, friendly tone, in the gardens of the embassy are Alba Parietti and Vittorio Sgarbi, faces the President of Copasir, Massimo D'Alema and Sen. Nicola La Torre talks with the administrator of Finmeccanica Pierfrancesco Guarguaglini, President Antimafia Pisanu said the reasons for his opposition to early elections, as he approaches Eng. Ligresti. April 2009, the year before the first "six months ago were all in Tripoli, at the Convention Centre to be awarded the medal of the revolution that is worthy of best friends from Colonel Qaddafi was Andreotti to withdraw its statement, the former Interior Minister Pisanu with them Lamberto Dini, Nicola La Torre (right arm of D'Alema) and Vittorio Sgarbi, today I am astonished, disappointed and affected by yet another tragedy at sea, by the latest boat that turned into a coffin in the waters of the Mediterranean, but are divided on the cause, why? Why not be the fault of Gaddafi gave him the honor! I do not think there is a responsibility of Gaddafi in the tragedy of this hour, says Dini, Gaddafi attaches great importance to the privileged relationship of friendship with Italy, has made a commitment solemn, to patience, it will be effective, including La Torre does not believe in responsibility of Gaddafi, a mandate by D'Alema in front of Gaddafi 6 months ago, before giving political judgments must obtain exact information, we know that Libya is an area where passage for many immigrants.
Meanwhile, L'Espresso, a great journalist Fabrizio Gatti as documenting the extermination in the Libyan desert refugees who were segregated, left to die of hunger, thirst, hardship to comply with that agreement had stipulated that fierce with Italy, to us that there was enough to send the immigrants, if we crack in the desert who cares, out of sight, out of mind this was the true under our agreement. Gianni Letta
We even awarded the title of Her Royal Highness by Gaddafi, the handing out the smears, then we tend to visit the Villa Doria Panfili that was restored to 100 000 euro you spend, then it was discovered that Qaddafi was sleeping outside, then they threw money too, with meetings with entrepreneurs and all those entrepreneurs who were singing with this villain, with these Amazons in tow, the Marcegaglia hand in hand and he was talking about women's revolution, he is in the green booklet women as little more than beasts! And all the staff of Railways Moretti, Profumo of Unicredit accounts of Eni, Bombassei Confindustria We are at a turning point in ENEL Scaroni said Marcegaglia hand in hand, the excess of the historical conditions that have influenced the past opens the way to a breakthrough that will lead to an intense and structured bilateral cooperation, they were all in love, Santanché, the Prestigiacomo, Carfagna, enthusiastic about all this talk of revolution on women's Gaddafi, the leader of feminism that had just rented hundreds of girls to stage the fake conversion to Islam, his private.
This was not light years ago, it happened a few months ago! June 13, 2009 and then last visit in 2010, yet six months ago, Berlusconi's last kiss to Gaddafi, then I started the riots in northern Africa, when he rebelled against Tunisia, Frattini stated Mubarak as a model, it is immediately dropped Mubarak, then Frattini pointed out as a model when Gaddafi and started the revolt is not that our political class has apologized for have taken up these schemes for decades, no, he relied on the survival of these regimes, the stability is not true that our political class has been siding with the people who rebelled only when they have driven the tyrants we quick to put the hat on those riots, but both Berlusconi and Frattini, both D'Alema did not say that Gaddafi had to be thrown when already had been chased Ben Ali and Mubarak, no, D'Alema said that it was necessary to invite Gaddafi to make reforms, perhaps to make a two-chamber well in Libya!
The treaty of friendship with the "leader of freedom"
Frattini said he had to take it as a model for opening a path to democracy in the north - Berlusconi and Gaddafi and Africa began to bombard people rebels said "not the phone because I do not want to disturb him," but it did not happen years ago, happened between January and February, ie the day before yesterday! Merge now in the role of Gaddafi who is seen by bomb we see our game on its head trying to get him to the skin within the coalition to which we have aggregated at the last minute, pretending to be from either side, of course, let us arm ourselves and this game was the Berlusconi's attempt at the beginning, we always like trying to remember when Mussolini entered the war, entered into war when it was thought that the war was over, in fact we went to give the stab in the back to France, where work had already done the dirty Germans!
Then we end the wars always on the side opposite to that where we start the wars, this time we are even improved, because we're waging a war to a regime with which we have a treaty of friendship, alliance and mutual assistance, including military that has never been terminated and is not a treaty dating back all''800, is a treaty was 3 years ago that was ratified by Parliament two years ago, is titled "Treaty of friendship and partnership cooperation agreement, signed on August 30th 2008 Silvio Berlusconi and Gaddafi," where? A Benghazi.
Italy agrees to pay $ 5 billion in 25 years, compensate for the damage inflicted on Libya by Italy during the colonial period, the fact that Gaddafi has ripped off three billion euros to our citizens before driving them from Libya since he took power, apparently is not covered. The center-left government had promised $ 3 billion, Berlusconi has abounded, 5! Let us be generous! And then, Gaddafi called leader of the revolution, there is obviously no mention of the incredible human rights violations that all the major international agencies from Amnesty International to Human Rights Watch denounced for years against opponents, Article 2 entitled "Sovereign equality, The Parties shall respect each other's sovereign equality and all rights inherent in it, including in particular the right to freedom and political independence, respect them also the right of each party to choose, freely develop their political, social, economic and cultural "Gaddafi to say" do what the fuck you want! "to your extension.
Article 4 "the parties shall refrain from any form of direct or indirect interference of internal or external affairs falling within the jurisdiction of another Party, keeping to the spirit of good neighbors" think that Gaddafi signed this stuff, you see bomb by Berlusconi who signed this stuff, has undertaken to refrain from any form of direct or indirect interference, bombard you think is an interference, direct or indirect? Keeping with the spirit of good neighborliness.
Section 4 clarifies this spirit of "respecting the principles of international legality, Italy will not use or permit the use of their territories in any hostile act against Libya and Libya will not use, nor allow the use of their territories in any hostile act against Italy, "this is fantastic, we members of NATO we will never give our land to anyone, including NATO, would make hostile acts against Libya, now we are paying not only our territory, but we are also using our aircraft to hostile action against the Libyan regime that we had pledged to leave to do what the fuck he thought, imagine Gaddafi! Of course, the Libyan government agreed to stop landings and landings have never stopped and every time he came landings, he did not know that those were enough for 5 billion dollars that we had already started and promised to pay, he wanted also a highway, he wanted this, wanted the other, who wanted money from Europe, continued to blackmail, joint patrols, provision of patrol boats by the Italian Guardia di Finanza to Libya.
Furio Colombo ... who voted this? League, the PDL at the time still united Democratic Party with two exceptions Furio Colombo and Andrea Sarubbi Radicals and the two who voted against the PD around the Parliament were Andrea Sarubbi Furio Colombo and then the Radicals elected in PD then they made a right, then the Italy of Values \u200b\u200bel'Udc now totally against all contrary Casini, then only two parliamentary groups voted against the treaty of friendship and partnership between Italy - Libya and Italy of Values \u200b\u200bUDC more than the Radicals elected in Colombo and PD Sarubbi.
if they have not spoken in the country, almost no one knew who we were allied with Libya, because this treaty provided for military operations, joint operations, exchange of military information and advanced technologies, a commitment not to use Italian or NATO military bases against Libya in any case, whatever both the event, joint patrolling, Italian soldiers and Libyan soldiers on the border Libya - Chad border immense course, Italian companies not named, will hold an electronic monitoring at the border Chad - Libya, the famous electronic wall to grab the refugees, the joint force Italian - Libyan did not have to hit the slave traders and refugees who organize trafficking in these desperate people, but directly on the refugees who can be hailed in the sea, long before they approach our shores and we can check whether they are political refugees religious, if escape from the lands of war or whether they are just desperate people trying to illegally enter our country, know that a refugee can not be rejected if escaping from a dictatorship or a political or ideological or religious persecution or war. The treaty with Libya
Furio Colombo wrote two years ago is out of the Italian Constitution, outside the Geneva Convention, outside the charter of human rights, outside the requirements of the United Nations on the rights of refugees because it makes it impossible, for example every attempt to respect the right of asylum for refugees intercepted. These are the precedents of the war against Libya that we are doing at this point I do not know if a war is just or unjust, if you will, if not help, if it will improve things, if the worse, if it will protect our interests, at least there have interests in Afghanistan and Iraq has never had understood that interests us, had the Americans, not us, we were the Ascari, at least here we have interests, we must understand if this war, at least those protects them or not, because you are assured that we are doing the bombings is that they are guided to targets gheddafiani, obviously going to hit "do coio, coio" have already made sure of civilians and bombing civilians also to avoid Gaddafi bomb civilians, we hope that is not another of the tragic contradictions of this war
The only thing we need to know is that if Gadhafi is still there with the botox, fake hair and make-up that has given us and the hoes around, not because it is strong because he is less than 30 years we have held us up and we are very able to hold up someone and then at some point to discover, oops that was not right, there were all the elements to know first who it was Gaddafi and now of course the story as always happens, maybe later, but the bill presents , spread the word!
